Iranian Leader Breaks New Ground in Spiegel Interview!
David Duke comments: The following link is to a very important interview of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
in the leading magazine in Germany, Spiegel:
SPIEGEL: Even though no Western scholars harbor any doubt about the Holocaust?
Ahmadinejad: But there are two opinions on this in Europe. One group of scholars or persons, most of them politically motivated, say the Holocaust occurred. Then there is the group of scholars who represent the opposite position and have therefore been imprisoned for the most part. Hence, an impartial group has to come together to investigate and to render an opinion on this very important subject, because the clarification of this issue will contribute to the solution of global problems. Under the pretext of the Holocaust, a very strong polarization has taken place in the world and fronts have been formed… Normally, governments promote and support the work of researchers on historical events and do not put them in prison.
SPIEGEL: Who is that supposed to be? Which researchers do you mean?
Ahmadinejad: You would know this better than I; you have the list. There are people from England, from Germany, France and from Australia.
SPIEGEL: You presumably mean, for example, the Englishman David Irving, the German-Canadian Ernst Zündel, who is on trial in Mannheim, and the Frenchman Georges Theil, all of whom deny the Holocaust.
Although President Mahmoud has been slandered as an extremist and “anti-Semite” read and think about the linked interview in Spiegel. In it he does not deny the Holocaust, but simply says that we cannot know the truth about this tragic chapter of the Second World War if we are not allowed to hear different points of view. Revisionists don’t deny the Holocaust, that is, they don’t deny that atrocities were committed against Jews and that many Jews died in the war, but they do question the Holocaust numbers and whether Germany had a plan in place to exterminate all Jews in Europe. Even many mainstream Historians admit there is no “smoking gun” as to such a plan, and the revisionists suggest the millions of survivors of the German camps are evidence that such a plan was not in place.
Revisionists also suggest that atrocities against Jews are vastly exaggerated such as exampled by the alleged Auschwitz numbers which officially went down from early claims of over 10 million, to claims posted at the camp for decades that 4 million perished there, to the current posted plaque at Auschwitz that claims 1.2 million died there, to figures as low as 470,000 by the most respected Holocaust-authority on Auschwitz, French researcher Jean Claude Pressac. Pressac was commissioned by the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation to refute the revisionists. He wrote the Holocaust-historian acclaimed book, The Technique and operation of the Gas Chambers. The revisionist Professor Robert Faurrison wrote the following: [edited and updated by D. Duke]
At the end of Alain Resnais’ 1955 film Nuit et Boullard (Night and Fog), which even today is constantly shown in all the schools of France, the number of deaths at Auschwitz is given as nine million: “9,000,000 dead haunt this countryside”!
However, ten years before, at the Nuremberg Trial, a document of which the Tribunal took “judicial notice” set this number at four million.
In 1989, J.-C. Pressac reduced the probable Jewish death count to a number between 1,500,000 and 2,000,000.
In 1993, he reduced the count to approximately 630,000.
In 1994, in the German edition of his book he went to a number between 470,000 and 550,000. Consequently, he has been silenced. And he accepts this silencing.
It is the Revisionists who will not be silent. They will persist in posing questions and in offering their answers:
1. What is the total number of deaths at Auschwitz? Is it nine million, as is even now taught to the children of France? Or is it as low as 470,000 as J.-C. Pressac now thinks?
The Revisionists, research in hand, have for years said the the number is 150,000, and they argue this was primarily caused from the privation and epidemics in the camps primarily due to the devastation at the end of the war. So we see from the beginning that the revisionists who were demonized by the establishment and media, were far closer to reality of the Holocaust than the Holocaust story that most people learn of millions gassed at Auschwitz. Even the chief authority who was in the pay of the Jewish Holocaust organizations, the late Jean Claude Pressac, in his last calculations is much closer to the revisionist estimates than the Holocaust story still learned by the public in school, in plentiful magazine and newspaper articles, documentaries, and commentaries.
Only persons indifferent to facts and figures could claim that all this has no importance.
Revisionists also point out that Jews were not the only ones who suffered atrocities in the Second World War, a war that resulted in the deaths of 64 million people, mostly civilian non-combatants, including tens of millions of women and children. What about the atomic bomb dropped on the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and the firebombing of cities such as Tokyo and Dresden, acts that burned alive hundreds of thousands of elderly, of countless numbers of women and children? Why is that not viewed as a war crime? Why is the ethnic cleansing, rape and murder of 7 to 11 million Germans the east at the end of the war not a crime worthy of the attention given to Jewish losses? Why is the greatest mass imprisonment and murder of all time, the Soviet Gulags and extermination campaigns such as occurred in Ukraine, not worthy of such media attention and focus? Could it be that dearth of coverage on these greater atrocities as compared to media saturation on the Jewish Holocaust is explained by the disproportionate Jewish ownership and influence in the American and world media? Could it be fueled by the fact that the constant repetition of the Holocaust story is essential for material and moral support of the Israeli Apartheid State, a Jewish racial state that has murdered, tortured, or ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians while at the same time evoking endlessly the crimes against Jews during the Second World War?
Of course the only to know the truth about the tragedy of what is today called the “Holocaust” is by honest research and historical debate. Such cannot happen when there is no freedom to offer a dissenting opinion, such as the injustice delivered to world-renowned historian David Irving. Irving, whose books are available in virtually every university library in the world, is now in prison in Austria with a 3 year year sentence for voicing an historical opinion in the Auschwitz controversy. An academic climate in which an historian or researcher can suffer imprisonment or at the least, academic censure and disgrace, for simply voicing a politically incorrect, well-reasoned opinion, certainly cannot give people much confidence in the popularly proclaimed Holocaust story. (Irving was imprisoned for simply voicing his opinion in a lecture that the gas chambers claimed to tourists in Auschwitz to be authentic, are in fact fakes constructed after the war. Such has been admitted by the Dr. F. Piper who was in charge of Museum and historical record at Auschwitz).
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the interview repeatedly makes the logical case that the truth about the Holocaust cannot be truly discerned without freedom to research the issue and voice dissenting opinions. He also points with clear logic that even if the Holocaust story were true, there is no justice in making the Palestinian people suffer for it. He shows how Israel is the real terrorist state complete with assassination, murder and torture, ethnic cleansing, and aggression and occupation against its neighbors.
He asks how long should the German people face humiliation for supposed crimes not committed by the living German population. Spiegel repeatedly spoke of the “guilt of the German people, the collective guilt of Germans,” etc.
The Iranian President declared that this guilt is imposed on the German people by the influence of the Zionists who are powerful in the world’s media and have in effect subjugated the German people.
Indeed. I also don’t go along with collective guilt, especially for crimes committed by earlier generations.
For instance, would Spiegel ever dare to suggest Jewish guilt for historical wrongs.
Should all Jews feel guilty for the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Palestinians from their homes from the creation of the Jewish State? Should Jews feel guilty about the fact that most Jewish organizations around the world supported the predominantly Jewish-led Bolshevik revolution and the Jewish-led Cheka that killed tens of millions of people? Should Jewish people be humiliated and made to feel guilty and in effect punished for the clear cases of blatant genocide boasted about in the Torah (killing every man, woman, child, and animal of hated Gentile kingdoms)? No Spiegel editorial would ever suggest there should be Jewish guilt, but somehow they find it proper for Germans to be humiliated and punished on a continual basis in service of the interests of Israel.
The fact that a head of state has breached these issues in the most popular magazine of Germany is an incredible breakthrough for cause of truth and freedom!
I can’t help but think that millions of Germans will read his words and begin to challenge the lies and deceptions of 60 years of occupation of their country and their minds.
Of course, it is not just German minds that are occupied, we “won” the war, but partially as a result of it, the American media and government became occupied by the same entity. In America and the rest of the world in “our own” media we are frequently assessed with guilt for not preventing the Holocaust by not earlier launching the bloody, murderous war that devastated Europe!
Not just Germany, it is we also that need liberation.
It is odd that someone who is so hated by the media and government establishment, the President of Iran, is contributing to our own freedom.
–dd
Here are some quotes by Ahmadinejad from the Spiegel interview:
SPIEGEL: First you make your remarks about the Holocaust. Then comes the news that you may travel to Germany — this causes an uproar. So you were surprised after all?
Ahmadinejad: No, not at all, because the network of Zionism is very active around the world, in Europe too. So I wasn’t surprised. We were addressing the German people. We have nothing to do with Zionists.
SPIEGEL: Denying the Holocaust is punishable in Germany. Are you indifferent when confronted with so much outrage?
Ahmadinejad: I know that DER SPIEGEL is a respected magazine. But I don’t know whether it is possible for you to publish the truth about the Holocaust. Are you permitted to write everything about it?
SPIEGEL: Of course we are entitled to write about the findings of the past 60 years’ historical research. In our view there is no doubt that the Germans — unfortunately — bear the guilt for the murder of 6 million Jews.
Ahmadinejad: Well, then we have stirred up a very concrete discussion. We are posing two very clear questions. The first is: Did the Holocaust actually take place? You answer this question in the affirmative. So, the second question is: Whose fault was it? The answer to that has to be found in Europe and not in Palestine. It is perfectly clear: If the Holocaust took place in Europe, one also has to find the answer to it in Europe.
On the other hand, if the Holocaust didn’t take place, why then did this regime of occupation …
SPIEGEL: … You mean the state of Israel…
Ahmadinejad: … come about? Why do the European countries commit themselves to defending this regime? Permit me to make one more point. We are of the opinion that, if an historical occurrence conforms to the truth, this truth will be revealed all the more clearly if there is more research into it and more discussion about it.
SPIEGEL: That has long since happened in Germany.
Ahmadinejad: We don’t want to confirm or deny the Holocaust. We oppose every type of crime against any people. But we want to know whether this crime actually took place or not. If it did, then those who bear the responsibility for it has to be punished, and not the Palestinians. Why isn’t research into a deed that occurred 60 years ago permitted? After all, other historical occurrences, some of which lie several thousand years in the past, are open to research, and even the governments support this.
SPIEGEL: Mr. President, with all due respect, the Holocaust occurred, there were concentration camps, there are dossiers on the extermination of the Jews, there has been a great deal of research, and there is neither the slightest doubt about the Holocaust nor about the fact – we greatly regret this – that the Germans are responsible for it. If we may now add one remark: the fate of the Palestinians is an entirely different issue, and this brings us into the present.
Ahmadinejad: No, no, the roots of the Palestinian conflict must be sought in history. The Holocaust and Palestine are directly connected with one another. And if the Holocaust actually occurred, then you should permit impartial groups from the whole world to research this. Why do you restrict the research to a certain group? Of course, I don’t mean you, but rather the European governments.
SPIEGEL: Are you still saying that the Holocaust is just “a myth?”
Ahmadinejad: I will only accept something as truth if I am actually convinced of it.
SPIEGEL: Even though no Western scholars harbor any doubt about the Holocaust?
Ahmadinejad: But there are two opinions on this in Europe. One group of scholars or persons, most of them politically motivated, say the Holocaust occurred. Then there is the group of scholars who represent the opposite position and have therefore been imprisoned for the most part. Hence, an impartial group has to come together to investigate and to render an opinion on this very important subject, because the clarification of this issue will contribute to the solution of global problems. Under the pretext of the Holocaust, a very strong polarization has taken place in the world and fronts have been formed. It would therefore be very good if an international and impartial group looked into the matter in order to clarify it once and for all. Normally, governments promote and support the work of researchers on historical events and do not put them in prison.
SPIEGEL: Who is that supposed to be? Which researchers do you mean?
Ahmadinejad: You would know this better than I; you have the list. There are people from England, from Germany, France and from Australia.
SPIEGEL: You presumably mean, for example, the Englishman David Irving, the German-Canadian Ernst Zündel, who is on trial in Mannheim, and the Frenchman Georges Theil, all of whom deny the Holocaust.
Ahmadinejad: The mere fact that my comments have caused such strong protests, although I’m not a European, and also the fact that I have been compared with certain persons in German history indicates how charged with conflict the atmosphere for research is in your country. Here in Iran you needn’t worry.
